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Someone just linked me to this image (even featured my artbook cover in it) this morning and I thought it spoke to what i've dealt with my entire career.



Try to embrace what makes you different, even if it makes others uncomfortable. 
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mayster Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014
What is it? for some reason I can't see it
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landero Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for the advice.
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Sour-Shock Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student General Artist
I need to start doing this because I have been confusing even myself every time I categorize animation and comics by where they are from. It's a bad habit.
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theBeardedMEN Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013  Student Filmographer
At my animation school we simplified styles to Cartoon, realistic and "UPA". It is understood that elements from one can be found mixed with the others.
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marvelleftw Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
Isometric? Which one is this?
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ACZamudio Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Professional
Good advice!
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Kebiru Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
I think a big point has been missed.

You mentioned in an earlier post that Anime's influence came from earlier Disney films. Very true, but what is not mentioned was that Japanese animators didn't have the budget nor the method to rotoscope their actors(Yes Disney rotoscopes). With these limitations, animators saw fit to rely on alternating between beautifully rendered still shots and 2-3 frame animations.

The major difference between Japanese/European and Western comics was the Western's interpretation of a comic book aka "the funnies". That one label has held us back from branching into different types. Cartoons are kids shows, nothing else. Mean while Europe and Japan are making comics and cartoons for all ages. Astrix, Tin Tin, Smurfs from Europe. Dororo, Battleship Yamato, Speed Racer from Japan. Even when theses cartoons were released in the US it was re-dubbed to protect kids from topics of death and pain. Yes it's true in the 70's we tried to curve the minds with movies like Ralph Bakski's "Wizards" and "Lord of the Rings" or Clive Smith's "Rock and Rule". Even Disney tried with "the Black Caldron" and learned that in the West, kids couldn't handle death. In the end Disney was king and the king created for the children.

So when Otomo's "Akira" came and showed us what Japanese Anime REALLY was, we where hungry for more. To confess, I lived in Toronto, Canada when I was a child. My exposure to comics were Tin Tin and Heavy Metal (when I could trick them into selling it to me). I knew from an early age that comics weren't just for kids. This is what Anime did for many comic artists, I think even you. It showed western artists that we are not limited by topics of comedy and super heroes. It reopened the creative gates and showed others why we watch, draw and praise foreign comics. It freed us of comic book heroes dressed in costumes and talking animals used to amuse the young.

These stereotypes you are uncomfortable with are NOT reflective of an art style nor a slap in the face to artists. It's a reflection of what is stereotypical exceptable within that country and its history. It is a visual marker to readers so they know what they are walking into. Look at "the Boondocks" or "the Last Air Bender". Both are Anime in style, telling the viewer "hay this is going to get crazy."

They are not labels of stereotypes but labels of inspiration.
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Dreamerwstcoast Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013   Traditional Artist
That is a deep message that needs to permeate across ALL industries of the Illustrated arts. 
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OceanwaveII Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like I could draw pure manga inspiration ..but if I wanted to sale a manga chances are I'd have to go to japan and as closed as Japanese society is  along with the low pay and difficulty of making a hit manga , success is unlikely =/ but possible , yo boy Felipe smith did it .   Or you can try Korea and relabel it Manhwa and learn Korean   . Chances are not going to sale a manga style comic here in the USA through traditional means . (There Marvel and DC , then there independent then there the " Expensive High brow" Graphic novels aimed a very small niche of people ).  Markets and publishers are very entrenched and culturally centric (if there a market... if there no market , your kinda screwed really ) So if folks are generalizing by country in relationships to a market there usually correct , But individual ? probably not  .  . Lucky  there the internet where you can find any audience and self fund with kick starter and be your own pioneer  ,
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OceanwaveII Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Artist aren't limited to the country style . There markets are though ,usually retail market in particular are very much bounded to the local audience (and the more expensive the product take to create ) . Though on the web and the internet yeah not so much or a place like deviant-art . Think that the main problem to be honest you can draw any style but your limited to the particular market available in your country and usually the easy way out is to find a publisher . If there is no market then you just do outsource work for another country  and making sustainable income on the internet is difficult despite having a an audience anywhere in the world.  With thing like kick-starter finally changing .
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filthyrich Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013
I would agree that  over generalization is bad. That being said I have been guilty of this in a way. For instance when I look at Katsura Terada I think Moebius and by default a more European style than japanese. Or Gipsy by Enric Marini who is Swiss I think Otomo. As Inkthinker mentioned I feel many artists are influenced from abroad.

When dealing with comics I think the key factor is can someone tell a story? It doesn't matter if they use pen and ink, zipatone poo on a stick what ever. 
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andrewk Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013
Yeah, I agree with this 100%!
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ArtofDPI Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I like.
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Leonidas666 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed!
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avirextin Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The problem that I see a lot isn't so much that thing are generalized by country, but that they're generalized IN GENERAL. This is fine, I suppose, if you're doing it for the sake of conversation or doing so sparingly. However, it can get a bit out of hand.
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rongs1234 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
reminds me of the book i read awhile back "Understanding Comics The Invisible Art" by Scott McCloud, he covers this kind of thing
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MidnightWabbit Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Cheers
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Mishaay Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yess, Thank you ! I really wish people would stop being so ignorant towards art. Would that be the right word? I don't know, but either way, stereotyping styles makes a lot of difficult problems for many artists who just wants to make art without feeling criticized for it. 
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klydekiss Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   Digital Artist
Thanks for this! I kinda wish people stopped categorizing everyone's style and just accept it for what it is. Why can't my style be just that? MYyyyyy style?


I really appreciate this post! 
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elcid423 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
You know...I've never compared styles to other parts of the world.  I've always attributed them to a particular artist.
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Inkthinker Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Few artists grow up without international influence, at this point.
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Kirite Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I want to share this on facebook.  Would that be okay?  

As someone that grew up in 3 countries.  I've been trying to say this for years.  Drives me crazy when people dismiss perfectly good stories because "I only read _____ because only ___ people can write and draw".  Crazy!
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Imass21 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Very inspirational reporting this everywhere
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TheTragicNightmare Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Uh, I dont get how they mention "embrace what makes you different" after saying that styles are categorized by country....
Obviously there is history behind certain styles (incoming opinion) and using them or mixing them isn't really going to label you as an artist as all.
I think the only labels we as artists actually get are "sucky artists" and "good artists" or "lazy" and "ambitious".

This kinda confuses me.
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savagesparrow Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
When I was applying for pencilling jobs in the comic book industry, hearing stuff like, "This is too Japanese for our tastes" or "This is too cartooney to be manga" is very common. Publishers have a very specific idea of what they think manga/comics should look like, but in the second set of examples, those were artists who ignored those stereotypes and became hugely successful with their own unique styles. For example, had Scott Pilgrim been shopped to Tokyopop or Viz, they might've said "This is too wordy to be manga" or "Too 'indie' for our tastes"--leading them to lose out on what would become one of the most successful comic titles in the last 10 years. 

TL;DR When you go into critiques from actual publishers, they have funny indirect ways of saying your style isn't what they're looking for. He's saying you should embrace your differences rather than cater to what they think is marketable. 
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TheTragicNightmare Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well worded. Thank you! :) 
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Viethra-Schepherd Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013
American comics publishers are the last people to consult when it comes to taste. I'm not saying American comics are bad, there are amazing comic artists in every part of the world. But the mainstream publishers miss the mark constantly here as a result of being unadventurous, and too influenced by speculators and stuff. They don't take chances, and their "safe" bets often fall flat. The only comics they seem to be able to sell are anthologies, and stuff based on big properties like Batman and Adventure Time. I shouldn't complain I suppose. Most of my exposure to the industry these days is through Linkara.
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Pardilate Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
what does isometric means in comics and animation? i understand that in the context of technical drawings
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GrnAce Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Everyone is influenced by every country known to man. If they have a favorite cartoon character, or even a different show. The artist that creates THAT very piece is influenced by who knows how many. I hate to say for the stereotypes, that accusation is sooo untrue this come of age!
Hell, we use too many different tools to be set into something that small. 
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Gray-Mecha-Fox Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I think everyone should draw a little from each, their is not limits to what can inspire you. I find it's mainly older people such as teachers and the like that say everything not centered in realism is "Manga" and therefore bad :/
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theonlybriman47 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
sooo true
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meowchi75 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for sharing!
When I was little, I wanted to be able to draw anime, but I thought I couldn't do it since I wasn't japanese....but I know better now. I also love it how countries are influencing each other's art style; it shows how connected the world is
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EKKnight Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I've actually noticed that a lot of people draw similar to their culture. 
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StudioRisingStar Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Thanx les its the truth!
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Chauvels Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   General Artist
This is something I've learned at a very young age. My father was a painter and taught me how to draw, he also showed me comics from other countries like Tintin and the early Heavy Metal magazines. I never knew there where so many different and wonderful styles outside of the of superhero comics. I thought for a moment that these styles were only available outside of America but then he gave me even more comics, the underground ones like Tank Girl and a few others I can't remember the names to. 

It was absolutely fascinating that these comics existed. I stopped pinning styles to certain countries and started appreciating them for what they were. 
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Stumble-Reel Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
for inspiring writers; same goes for genre


... imho
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Saremu Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate this message.
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